Posted by: tycheent | December 28, 2008

Linux vs Windows . . . TomTom GPS

My wife gifted me with a TomTom ONE 125 GPS navigator.  On charging it up and connecting it to my computer, I discovered that Microsoft had struck again.   The program to connect the device to the computer was Windows ONLY.  How barbaric.  No, not even that, for even barbarians were civilized in their own fashion, and had an advanced culture and society that was simply different than the Romans and Greeks had.  Perhaps immature would be a better term, for so blindly following a bully is certainly not a mature way of dealing with life.

I contacted the TomTom Support Team via their web interface:

Having received a TomTom ONE 125 from my wife, for Christmas, I was disappointed to find that your company was so far behind the times as to expect that a connected computer would ONLY be running a Microsoft operating system. Such behavior, in this day and age, is tantamount to a slap in the face to all the intelligent people in America and in the world who have decided to choose an alternative that does not require massively expensive equipment to run and exorbitant continued fees to maintain.

I, therefore, request that you remedy this situation by providing customers with the HOME software in a format (preferably in an Open Standards format) that would be available to Linux users.

I think it would be appropriate for me to mention, at this point, that refusal or failure to remedy the situation could result in significant loss of revenue, due to people becoming aware that your company is so locked into a monopolistic software empire as to not care about their customers.

I received the following reply:

Thank you for taking the time to contact TomTom Customer Support regarding TomTom HOME compatibility with Linux. My name is Ana. We are always happy to help. We understand the frustration such an issue might cause.

Due to software issues, our TomTom HOME program is not compatible with Linux and we do not have any software available for it at this time. We currently only have software available for Windows 2000, XP, Vista (latest service packs recommended), and Mac OS X 10.3.9 or higher. We apologize for any frustration this may cause.

We offer the TomTom HOME requirements on our website, please click on the link below to view them.

http://www.tomtom.com/9095

Thank you for choosing TomTom for your navigation needs. If you have any further questions or comments, please email or call us at 866-486-6866 Monday through Friday, 8:30 AM until 7:00 PM EST. Thanks again for writing. At TomTom we believe in showing you the way the easy way.

With Best Regards,

Ana
TomTom Customer Support

I very much want others to see just how customers are treated when it comes to the choice of operating system for their home computers.  To be compelled, without prior warning, to have to use an insecure, buggy, and extremely expensive operating system is absurd. That’s right – NO warning.  Nothing on the box notes any requirement for a Windows operating system in order for the device to fully function in the manner suggested in their literature.   Ignorance MIGHT be an excuse, except that others have also drawn to the attention of TomTom the fact that Linux exists.  Therefore, such behavior is unconscionable in the extreme – a blatant ignoring of a significant population of computer users and potential customers.  And worse, this shows that they are ignoring the fact that they are operating the TomTom ONE using Linux:

From ttgo.bif:
[TomTomGo]
DeviceName=TomTom ONE
DeviceVersionHW=ONE (v8)
DeviceSerialNumber=PB4378B02731
DeviceUniqueID=AKTHL B2C6N
RamDiskVersion=20080613
BootLoaderVersion=55019
LinuxVersion=198799
ApplicationVersionVersionNumber=8014
ApplicationVersion=9372
UserLanguage=English US
UserName=PB4378B02731

(Emphasis mine)  If that isn’t enough for you:

From http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=HOME24 :
TomTom HOME 2.4 and later contains parts of E2fsprogs code licensed under GNU Library General Public License Version 2 built as a DLL on Windows and dynamic library on Mac OS.

Witch leads to – From http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html :
e2fsprogs, which consists of e2fsck, mke2fs, debugfs, dumpe2fs, tune2fs, and most of the other core ext2fs filesystem utilities.

And, for an explanation of  what e2fsprogs is – From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E2fsprogs :
e2fsprogs (sometimes called the e2fs programs) is a set of utilities for maintaining the ext2, ext3 and ext4 file systems. Since those file systems are often the default for Linux distributions, it is commonly considered to be essential software.

. . . . . . . .

As the userspace companion for the ext2, ext3, and ext4 drivers in the Linux kernel, the e2fsprogs are most commonly used with the Linux operating system. However, they have been ported to other systems, such as FreeBSD and Darwin.

TomTom uses Linux.  But TomTom doesn’t want to acknowledge that, and therefore ignores potential customers.  Or, perhaps it’s more than ignoring potential customers.  For example, there is the publically demonstrated behavior of Microsoft.  Microsoft is noted for its anti-competative contracts with companies, its “buying off” companies, organizations and even political entities, and its subversion of even standards organizations.  (Oh, don’t believe me.  Go see for yourself.  Search for the lawsuit by the DOJ [such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft]  and the record of what happened at ISO with their “Office Open XML”, or their behavior in third world countries with the advent of the XO computer.)  Such behavior in an individual would be considered unethical at best and criminal at worst.  But because Microsoft has money they manage to get away with it.  If some combination of the above is the reason that TomTom has so ignored Linux as an operating system then their shame is complete, and they deserve to be known as “that navigation company that USED to be a contender in the market”.

Whatever their reasons, they are cutting themselves off from being able to sell various services.  I find it difficult that ANY company would willingly forego the possibility of additional income simply in order to support a dying monopoly.  Yet that seems to be the case.  Now, before someone points out that they also support Mac OS-X, please realize where the money comes from:  http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cyberspace/july-dec97/apple_8-6.html.  Sorry, I just don’t see Apple computers as being separate from Microsoft these days.  I know they have a proud history (or say they have) and that they try to be different.  But the fact that Microsoft bought into them just sort of spoils the whole image for me.

So, here you go, TomTom.  Get your PR department out of the Service department, and start thinking of where you get your money.  Do you REALLY want to forego the income you could make by supporting the very operating system that you use?


Responses

  1. What are the similarities between this situation and Cisco’s use of linux in their products? Is this another case of GPL violation? They should make their source available, then their product could be made linux-compatible by their users. That would be win-win, and smart for them. Do they in fact have the right to keep their code close? IANAL

  2. “Slap in the face”? You don’t think that’s a bit of an overreaction, considering the system requirements are documented and available before purchase?

    Wasn’t your wife’s purchase of a gift that requires Windows just as much a slap in your face?

    This is a glowing example of how NOT to get companies to support LInux.

    In contrast, my last equivalent experience was with Newsleecher. While it’s been one of my favorite apps for a couple of years, I’ve completely switched to Linux now, and not only do they offer no LInux version, but Newsleecher didn’t like Wine.

    I sent a politely regretful email about why I’ll be unable to renew my Newsleecher subscription, and requesting they please let me know if the situation ever changes. What I got back was a suggestion that, while it’s not officially supported, he’d heard if one tries this and this, combined with that :) it did indeed work under Wine. He was right, and I’m a happy Newsleecher user again.

    See the difference?

  3. I guess for the time being you could try to install their M$-only software in WINE. It might work, but then it might not.

  4. Be Free, choose Linux Ubuntu……

  5. The TomTom OS is a GNU/Linux system. This you point out…

    But did you know TomTom Home is a XUL application – it’s based on an embedded copy of the same Free Software engine as Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird, etc. See http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=mpl

  6. I really don’t understand. So if I use one of the BSDs, they have to provide an app for me to use my new gadget with? What about BeOS or OpenSolaris? On what principle are you basing your claim that TomTom should release a desktop client for Linux? It appears to be marketshare, but with Linux commanding a 2-4% marketshare, the money required to write or port the app to Linux and maintain it would be greater than the revenue they could expect to receive from it. Ideally, TomTom would provide specs to communicate with their devices and if there is a market for it, OSS devs would write or extent apps to use these devices.

    As a disclaimer, I am writing this on Ubuntu Linux Intrepid Ibex. I have run Linux for the past 10 years, and have submitted patches on occasion. I also maintain a school network of about 50 systems running Windows XP/Vista and a Windows Server 2008 server.

  7. LOL? Are you kidding me? Have you tried running TomTom HOME using Wine or another emulator?

    Don’t blame the manufacturer for not supporting a tiny market share, especially when this is indicated on their website (and likely the product packaging). Why aren’t you mad at your wife for buying you a device which isn’t compatible with Linux? She should have known better!

  8. I’ve personally given up on TomTom for a GPS platform. They have locked down the platform in a way that I found personally offensive, and include an SD card that does not have usable free space for pretty much any of the things I would like to see.

    The maps on my TomTom were out of date when I got the GPS, and if I had a windows system I was comfortable exposing to the Internet, the updated maps would cost me enough to bump the device costs up to more than the Garmin Nuvi that I probably should have gotten.

    It is one of the reasons that I would like to see some significant improvements to the Google Maps application on the G1 get three improvements Stay centered on ‘me’. Night mode. 3D. I’m not personally interested in turn by turn voice prompting, but would rather not have the surprise that I need to make a turn just ‘off’ the display edge that I’m approaching.

    I wish you luck with the TomTom. My own recommendation would be to return it for it’s sales value towards a Garmin Nuvi. Even with a 20% ‘restock’ fee I think you are likely to be happier. (The Magellen devices are almost as bad as the TomTom, with the additional aggravation of not being as nice of a device for the same price.)

  9. Calm down a bit…

    They’re not sitting on a box with the secret Linux version hidden within. They’re in the same position as every other company who deals with computer-interacting consumer electronics.

    To furnish Linux users with the software, they’d have to:
    – write drivers
    – rewrite their app
    – re-localise it for all their languages
    – package it for their supplied languages
    – maintain it

    Is that a “But there’s a Mac version, so they’re already doing this!” I hear? Well the above list is not cheap. Whichever cross-platform technologies they use, it’s an expensive buy-in generously marinaded with higher long-term costs.

    Given the number of Linux-only users out there is relatively small (eg, I have access to Windows and Macs), I’m not surprised they haven’t moved on making a Linux version available.

    If and/or when there’s a point where they’re either rewriting from scratch and/or the OS rations are more favourable for Linux users, we might see progress… But don’t expect companies to make bad* business decisions because you make a fuss.

    You could vote with your wallet, but this is premium hardware we’re talking about here. Chances are, you need/want it more than they need you to buy it.

    *I’ve no idea exactly how many desktop-Linux users haven’t purchased a TomTom because it doesn’t work with Linux and I’ve no idea how much developing a Linux version of their software would cost. I’d wager the second is much higher than the first.

  10. wow, you’re really p..ed by this whole thing. i give you a great advice! my father received as a birthday gift a tomtom one device from people in our family – i was not there when this “happened” and since all of them don’t know what linux is, just went on and purchased that thing. my father thinks of computers as a calculator with a tv. so update and new version of software is a language he does not speak. now, how was i going to install this software on my ubuntu machine? not possible, so since you encountered that frustration too, i just downloaded a CRACKED windows vista version as ISO and installed it on my machine. then i went to install tomtom home software – what a piece of crap i can tell you!!! – and updated the device, no apart from even a simple patch you have to download and pay for, i think both tomtom and microsoft just earn so much money that they don’t bother me using cracked versions of their software. so basically i use vista ultimate for fun, not paying and i downloaded ALL maps for tomtom go and my father is happy now. me too. i don’t care about microsoft and tomtom, they don’t care about customers, neither do i care about them and so i abuse them. cheers. for you this might seem “illegal”, it actually is, but this illegal behavior exists and grows thanks to those companies like microsoft and tomtom, so i’m not bothered.

  11. I too received a TomTom One although for my birthday some months ago. I took a look at the TomTom Home application which is used to manage the device. You’ll possibly be further annoyed/amused to see that it uses xulrunner (an open source library/app) to render the user interface of the app.

    You’ll be happy to know that it is actually possible to copy maps to the device by simply mounting it as a mass storage device under Linux (so I am led to believe).

    Personally I use an XP virtual machine under VirtualBox to manage my TomTom. Not ideal, but then I only update it once every $BLUE_MOON.

  12. Now, before I go and add in the comments from various people, allow me to add a couple of comments of my own.

    1.) I don’t do Windows. Not even in a VM. Part of the reason is that I’ve never gotten Windows to install in a VM. But more importantly, I got tired of spending 10 hours a week removing garbage from my machine, virus scanning and repairing, and defragging.
    2.) I know about wine. TomTom HOME does NOT install under wine. It says it does, but nothing happens. In addition, from those who HAVE managed to install it under wine, I’ve heard that it STILL would not connect to the device.
    3.) I refuse to do a crack of a Windows product. Aside from moral and ethical reasons, see 1.) above.
    4.) For those of you still wondering about me, I’ve not only been Windows Free for at least 4 years, but am a member of the Arizona LoCo, an associate editor of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, and have done some other bits and bobs along the way. Enough so that I am an Ubuntu Member.
    5.) As for knowing about the Windows Only situation, it is NOT marked on the packaging and, despite my activities and involvement in Ubuntu, I don’t expect my wife to know that she’d have to do a college level research to find out what software they run.
    6.) TomTom is a Linux program. The GPLed software that they use is available from them, so it’s not like the Cisco situation. However, HOME is NOT (except for bits and pieces that they acknowledge). They had to run some fancy conversions to get it to work in Windows. As for being an XUL program – well, if that’s true, then they could have simply set it up to run in any acceptable browser.

    I think that covers most of what I’ve read. Keep commenting, though. I’d be interested in what you have to say.

  13. Nice piece, wrong target. You should be sending this as a letter to shareholders for the next shareholders meeting….

  14. Linux has only itself to blame here however.

    Business is about being money-efficient, not morally right. It is -very- money-efficient to take a freely, high-quality OS, and not support the people that made themselves. Hence why they do it.

    And it’s not like the license does not permit this :\

  15. “- write drivers”

    It’s a mass storage device – no drivers needed

    “- rewrite their app”

    It’s a XUL app. The only non-portable code is a C++ (XPCOM) library to allow access to attached USB devices from their xulrunner application

    “- re-localise it for all their languages”

    The XUL is reusable.

  16. Just because a user interface is in a cross-platform format (XUL here, if that’s really the case) it doesn’t mean it’s any less work packaging it for a myriad of Linux distributions.

    Lest we forget that an user interface is just a user interface. There is an unknown quantity of stuff working behind the scenes that may not be immediately portable.

    And why is it running Linux even relevant to this discussion? Embedded apps and desktop operating systems are not one and the same.

    But I still don’t see (other than them marking minimum requirements on the box accurately) why you would be so angry at a company for not spending a relatively large amount of cash to support a relatively small number of users.

  17. For most people, they can’t be bothered to care about Linux. I can’t tell you how many people who have said, “Yeah, it’s nice, but if fixes a problem I don’t have.”

    Plainly put, people just don’t care about Linux until it makes money. Whether it has yet, nobody knows. Until then, you can continue to see this kind of thing. It’s not good, no.

    But.

    I’m sure you remember the story run a few weeks ago about the teacher to took away a student’s Linux discs. The man who posted the blog sent the teacher a very mean, scathing reply on her behavior. What does this help?

    What was your intent posting this, or sending that e-mail? If anything, it will just makes the passing Windows users tut their tongues and say, “Oh, just another ranting Linux user.”

    Ranting in a baseless tone is not the way to get Linux support. Facts, figures, and reasonable arguments are the way to get companies to listen to you.

    Perhaps you would be better off pointing out that all of the major computer manufacturers are all selling Linux boxes. Point them to the Linux register website, where a theoretical 29 million people are documented to use Linux. Sow them Ubuntu and its popularity. Do this all in a professional, reasonable tone.

    Until you start acting reasonably, you’re bound to get nothing reasonable in return. I’m, frankly, not very surprised by their reply. Why would they be bothered to write an application for a single customer (assuming they don’t keep tabs on all the requests like this, which I very much doubt)?

    I understand your frustration, but there are better ways to deal with the problem.

  18. This was a rather nice letter! I liked the tone of it, it was correct and formal. Very nice.

    The reply was not as nice though, telling you «well, we support these (like you don’t know) and you can read it all here, so it’s your own fault». Well, it’s not.

    This is the correct way to make Linux more supported by stupid companies, — we ought to tell them we want linux versions (preferably open source, or at least open standards). I do it not often enough, although I send maybe a letter a month.

  19. I must admit I’m a bit puzzled by your e-mail. I understand your frustration, but I do think that the tone in your e-mail leaves a lot to be desired if you want to be taken seriously. To be honest, it strikes me as an e-mail just begging to be dismissed by any executive of any company (big or small).

    Maybe it’s just me, but the tone of your e-mail strikes me more of a DEMAND that they do what you want them to rather than a more polite “I wonder if you have plans to provide software for those of us who prefers Linux, and if not: is it possible for me to persuade you to re-think your policy and/or be able to return a product I am not able to use?”

  20. Thanks for the heads-up, …I’m looking for a GPS unit but I want it to be compatible with my Linux box..now I can cross Tom-Tom off the list!

    I agree totally that their blinkered attitude towards Linux is wrong. Why any company would still pursue a “Gates” only policy in the age of open source is beyond belief!…
    Sure Linux may seem to have a smaller user base, but realistically the free distro suppliers themselves don’t have an accurate figure on users as not everyone downloads from their sites or registers their copy Linux. The world may never have an accurate idea of how many Linux users there are out there but you can be sure its a lot higher than what is claimed.

    I hope you find a workaround!

    Cecil

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  22. Response to Ana and tell her you had to return the product because you can’t use the software. It’s the logical thing to do.

  23. It’s always sad when a company gets such agressive communications. I thought as an Ubuntu Member you would know better.

    There are many ways to invite companies to support Linux other than that. I’m almost glad you didn’t mention Ubuntu to them.

    And I fail to see how it requires “college research” to use Google and get the requirements of hardware before buying it (Linux 101). Maybe everyone around you should know what OS you run, way before TomTom Support.

  24. All I saw was a rant. DID YOU RETURN THE TOMTOM?? If not, you got no reason for posting your rant.

    No, I’m not a M$ fanboi, but judging by a good number of posts above, there are still plenty of sheeple willing to kiss M$’ big corporate ***(self censored to protect the children of the world).

  25. Ease up on the attitude man, that’s only a sure way to be dismissed as some kind of screaming zealot in a highly vocal minority.

    Try a more *civilized* tone, don’t go bashing wildly around like some “barbarian” just because you are disappointed.

    Just return the thing already, with a polite but firm note as to why you return the product. Then go get another one.

    (Oh, and the revenue argument is pretty lame, how much do you think they actually do stand to lose in this case? 10-20 customers? Compared to development time?)

  26. I have a TomTom ONE and it runs linux and so does my home machine. I’ve never tried the TomTom Home application, whats the point? I plug my TT1 in to charge it and that’s about it.

  27. @lefty.crupps: the point is, you’re not only not supporting linux, you’re supporting ripping it off.

  28. I don’t know much about all it takes to support linux, but for the most part, if you base your product on widely used standards, then linux support is usually a beneficial side effect. Take my nokia phone. It’s a CDC ACM modem, which means it works perfectly with Network-Manager. It can be made into mass storage mode, which means I can easily use my music player of choice to manage the music on it. It supports syncML, which means (if there was a useful linux program) I could theoretically back up and restore my contacts…

    All this, at conceivably no cost to Nokia, and they still support windows, and they still shipped the product with a windows only software, which I didn’t need, but which was not a bother to me at all.

    I do think his tone was rather harsh, and unnecessary, and if I was a customer care representative reading this email, I would have responded in the same manner he was responded to simply because it is better to respond than to ignore the email.

    I do think if everyone was careful enough to vote with their wallet, companies will see the benefit of linux support (take that, all you folks who buy Ipods and then turn around and cry that there is no linux support :) )

  29. I will just ask this single question : How do you provide an application that will run on ALL linux distributions from 2000 to 2008 ?

    You have no way :
    - no stable kernel API,
    - no stable API/ABi for low level lib or others applications.
    - No stable ABI between gcc release which will make a C++ application working with gcc 3.2 not working with gcc 4.3 ( and even compatibility between gcc 4.1 and gcc 4.3 is not sure ).
    - the underlying platform change a lot every year … Qt2 -> QT3 -> QT4, HAL -> Device-Kit ?, DBUS, usermod -> PolicyKit ?, XFree -> Xorg -> Xorg/xcb, etc … Even shipping your binaries in static mode will not ensure that it will run correctly …
    - each distribution is somewhat different ( DEB vs RPM, distro X vs distro Y ). And don’t tell me about releasing binairies only for the “big three” as this will be insane, and even in this case, you will have each time 2 or 3 release to support ( as you can count for 2 release per year ), so you end up with at least 6 different binairies to ship … Compare this with he Windows version … 1 executable for 8 years of Windows system and 3 Windows version ( 2000, XP, Vista ).
    - LSB is no sufficient as many thing, especially concerning the UI stuff are not handle by LSB.

  30. FACORAT Fabrice,

    Ever hear of Webmin? It manages quite nicely on a web style interface. I’m sure there’s other ways of doing it. Plus, there’s static installations that include what is needed, and thereby get around the problem you’ve presented. There are ways.

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  32. I think this is a good opportunity to talk about linux support from different GPS device vendors! Anyone experience with such devices that work with linux? Is there a list of compatible devices available?

  33. RE: Rusty
    >The maps on my TomTom were out of date when I got the GPS…

    https://www.tomtom.com/latestmap/
    “When you buy a brand new TomTom device, there’s a small chance that a newer map has been released since your device was manufactured. We want to ensure that you start driving with the absolute latest map. So if a newer version of your map is available within 30 days of first using your device, you can download it for free …..”

    I used this without issue even on the refurb tomtom that I received for my bday not all that long ago. No big deal.

    - If you really wanted “freshmaps” you should have gone with a navigon, sure it is a small fee up front ($79) but it covers new maps for the next 3 years (far cheaper than getting a new gps of any brand) http://navigonusa.com/freshmapsaccessory/

  34. Why not create a petition to unite all people that want a client on linux for their TomTom GPS ?

    I’ll signed it ;)

    example :
    http://www.ipetitions.com

  35. chris,

    It’s already been done. See: http://www.petitiononline.com/tomlinux/

  36. “I think this is a good opportunity to talk about linux support from different GPS device vendors! Anyone experience with such devices that work with linux? Is there a list of compatible devices available?”

    OK…here’s one that supports Linux red hat….(as well as mac / win)
    http://www.globalsat.com.tw/eng/product_detail_00000124.htm

  37. i found this post interesting. all due respect, the tone of your letter to tomtom was a bit strong. I understand your underlying sentiment, but the fact is that comparatively, the Linux market is very very small. So companies like tomtom will be slow to adopt the support of the various OSs. Same applied to the Mac community only a few years ago. Things have changed recently.

    Personally, I am a big fan of linux. I run windows for work abd linux on my personal machine.

    It will be up to us as a community to campaign endlessly for the adoption of linux.

    In the spirit of linux, sounds like there is enough information that someone could probably write their own utility to work with the tom tom? im not a developer, but seems reasonaable.

    why should someone do this? well, why not? not sure of the legal argument of doing this, but id rather see energy put to good use rather than finger pointing..

    my 2 cents

  38. I just read this post and all of the comments afterwards. There is a good debate that’s going on here.

    I do believe that the language could have been more professional in the email to the support department. This has already been said many times over.

    Now that I have read this and looked into it some, there isn’t much reason why they shouldn’t at least take some steps to make it easier for linux users to get this to work on their own.

    I know I’m going to be saying a lot of things that people have already said. Wouldn’t it be easier to create a web interface for the device? You would think this would make it much cheaper to develop the support for the operating systems that they already do support. This would also make it easier to make it work in linux. Also like nucco said about using standards. If they make sure they keep to standards for their connections etc. that would make it easier for linux users to get this to work for them.

    The same comments could be said about any company. If every company that makes any device could use these same ideas. This way the linux community could provide their own support for eachother. This way there wont be nearly as much angry emails going their way. That in itself would save them money.

    Sure I’ll go along with the fact that if they ported their software to work outright with linux is cost prohibitive considering the market share that linux currently holds. That’s why non of the thoughts that I have provided have outright said that they should do that.

    These ideas that I’ve had that I’ve gotten from other people also could save them money in development. If they keep with standards that would make writing the code, even for their windows drivers, much easier since standards don’t change very often. Also because they wouldn’t have to make as many changes between their windows version and their mac version of the software.

    They would even save money on the support side of their products. This is due to the fact that every time they have to take a call for support or provide support via email it costs them money. They usually include some money in the price of the product to pay for this support, but after a certain point it starts costing them more money than they are making.

    I might not be on the same wavelength that some people are on, but it seems like good business sense to go with the few ideas that I have presented. Not only to make it easier for the software to work with linux, but also to make it cheaper and easier to support the operating systems that they already support.

  39. Yes! please sign the petition and don’t worry about the used language “strong” i really think that they deserve it.

  40. I also use TOMTOM, but I have downloaded the latest software, which installs on Ubuntu, but it cannot connect to the device. I also have signed the petition in the hope that TomTom will realise that there are other OSs that would like support for their products.

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  43. If you think to use a Navigon 7200T as a GPS it is quite a good idea as it is better than Tom Tom.


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